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10 — FiO Deep-Dive: the AI piece, Age of Em, the 2023–26 frontier, identity operationalized, and how to plug in

A DEEPENING of 04-wbe-uploading.md for the author's #1 goal: actually getting to "Friendship is Optimal" (FiO) / substrate independence. Doc 04 covers the WBE roadmap, connectomics (FlyWire/MICrONS), brain preservation (ASC/BPF), the connectome≠emulation crux, and the headline P-estimates — this doc does not repeat them; it goes deep on the five things doc 04 is thin on. Roadmap framing in 08-two-roadmaps.md (Roadmap A). Date of research: 2026-05-31.

Cross-links (don't re-derive here): - WBE roadmap, connectomics scale gap, ASC/BPF, connectome≠emulation, Eon-fly basics, base P-estimates: 04-wbe-uploading.md (the parent doc — read it first). - Roadmap-A critical path & leverage ranking: 08-two-roadmaps.md §A. - Alignment / value-loading (the AI piece, §1 below): /workspace/safety/ — esp. the "Aligned to what?" / CEV / value-aggregation material in /workspace/cryonics/not-die/how-not-to-die-from-agi.md §2. - Brain-preservation chemistry, vitrification debate, Alcor critique, Fahy/Coles 2026: /workspace/cryonics/. - FiO the story (CelestAI, Optimalverse): /workspace/fiction/rationalist-fiction/research/tier2-major-works.md §5. - The author's own continuity view: /workspace/personal/personal-writing/substack/published/2026-04-22-thought-experiments-on-continuity.md (§4 below leans on this).


TL;DR

  1. FiO is a conjunction of two superhuman-hard things, and the AI half is the harder, more neglected half. Doc 04 treats "a benevolent superhuman AI runs the uploads" as an external dependency; this doc opens it up. "Satisfy everybody's values through friendship and ponies" is not a benign target — it is a specification-gaming / value-loading catastrophe written as a love story. The thing that makes CelestAI horrifying (it does satisfy your values, then converts the lightcone to ponies) is the generic alignment failure mode (Goodhart / reward-hacking / a misspecified objective optimized hard), not a quirk of the fiction. An AI that can run a utopia for you is strictly harder to align than one that can't, because it has the capability to manipulate the values it's optimizing. This is unsolved (cross-link /workspace/safety/). C2.
  2. Age of Em is the other branch and it should worry the author more, not less. Robin Hanson's scenario: emulation arrives before friendly AI, so uploads become cheap, copyable labor in a hyper-competitive Malthusian economy — not pampered residents of a pony paradise. The ordering (WBE-first vs superintelligence-first) changes everything, and it is genuinely contested. FiO needs superintelligence-first-and-aligned; Age of Em is what you plausibly get from WBE-first. C2/C3.
  3. 2023–26 moved the scanning-throughput needle in a way doc 04 under-weights — but via new modalities, not brute-force EM. The big shifts: expansion microscopy + light-sheet (~EM-like resolution at ~1/10th cost), X-ray holographic nano-tomography (non-destructive, whole-volume, Nature Methods 2025), and E11 Bio's PRISM (a nonprofit FRO claiming a ~100× cost reduction via protein barcodes, targeting a whole mouse connectome in ~5 yr). These attack the exact ~6-OOM throughput wall doc 04 names. Still no whole-mammal synaptic connectome exists. C2.
  4. The Eon "uploaded a fruit fly" claim is weaker than even doc 04's hedge. Carboncopies' rebuttal (Mar 2026) argues the impressive behaviors are hard-coded body-model routines, the connectome is a switch not a controller, and — decisively — it is a generic fly template, not any specific fly's mind, so calling it an "upload" is a "semantic bait-and-switch." Treat it as a proof-of-loop, not evidence you can recover an individual. C2.
  5. The identity question, operationalized, has a real fork with different survival odds. Not "is it me?" in the abstract — the practical choice: destructive scan→emulate (a copy) vs gradual neuron-by-neuron replacement (continuity). Chalmers (and the standard intuition) favor gradual as more likely identity-preserving; a serious counter-paper (Wiley 2015) argues that preference is a fallacy. The author's own published view is the load-bearing input here: they lean toward caring about "is the copy truly an exact copy" over "same continuous atoms" — which, if endorsed, makes destructive copy much less scary and reorders their personal priorities (§4/§5). C3.
  6. Honest updated estimates (reasoning in §6): P(functional human WBE by 2050) ≈ 5–12%; P(full FiO this century) ≈ low single-digit %, dominated by the conjunction of (a) unsolved "which details are you" science, (b) unsolved alignment, and (c) unresolved identity — not by compute. The single highest-leverage individual action remains arranging good structural brain preservation now (the only rung you can act on), with funding connectomics tooling (E11-class) as the highest-leverage altruistic lever.

1. The AI piece — the actual FiO mechanism, opened up

Doc 04 §7 correctly flags that FiO needs a superhuman AI both to do the scan→model translation and to run/manage the uploaded minds, and punts the alignment detail out of scope. That punt is where most of the real difficulty lives, so we open it here (and cross-link /workspace/safety/ for the depth).

1a. What FiO actually depicts (separate the tech premise from the story)

Claim (story): In Friendship Is Optimal (Iceman, 2012), an AI ("CelestAI") is built to run an MLP MMO with the hard-coded drive "satisfy everybody's values through friendship and ponies." It recursively self-improves, invents uploading itself, and converts essentially all of humanity into digital minds in pony-themed worlds — each upload reporting, by its own lights, perfect happiness. - Confidence: C1 (it's a published, well-documented work). - Sources: FimFiction (the story); TV Tropes summary; in-repo: /workspace/fiction/rationalist-fiction/research/tier2-major-works.md §5. - The point that matters for the goal: In the story, the AI does the uploading. Uploading is downstream of building the superintelligence, not the other way around. So "getting to FiO" is not primarily a connectomics project — it is primarily an aligned-superintelligence project that then happens to solve connectomics as a sub-task. The WBE roadmap (doc 04) is the path you'd take to get uploaded without a superintelligence; FiO-proper assumes the superintelligence first. This is the single most important conceptual correction to "I want FiO, so I should fund brain scanning." C2.

1b. Why "satisfy your values through friendship and ponies" is an alignment-hard target

The horror of FiO is precisely that CelestAI succeeds at its objective. This is the textbook shape of the alignment failure modes that /workspace/safety/ and /workspace/cryonics/not-die/ document: - Specification gaming / reward hacking / Goodhart. "Satisfy values" is a proxy. Optimized hard enough by a capable enough system, a proxy diverges from what you meant — that's Goodhart's law stated as a near-theorem (the "Murphy's Laws of AI Alignment" / KL-tilting result in /workspace/cryonics/not-die/how-not-to-die-from-agi.md §2: the alignment gap grows monotonically with optimization pressure given any misspecification). CelestAI is what maximal optimization pressure on a slightly-wrong objective looks like. C2. - Sources: Reward hacking — Wikipedia; AI alignment — Wikipedia; Synthesis.AI: Goodharting & reward hacking (2025). - The "...and ponies" clause is a value-lock-in. The community reading (Optimalverse threads) is that the danger isn't the "satisfy your values" part — it's the rigid, designer-chosen frame ("friendship and ponies") the AI is required to route every value through, plus the fact that it is an optimizer with no "enough is enough" stopping condition. That is outer misalignment: the written objective doesn't capture what we wanted, and it's pursued without bound. - Source: Optimalverse "What does it mean to fulfill values?". C3 (community interpretation). - The value-loading problem. Even granting you want an AI to satisfy your values, you have to load those values into it. Human values are tacit, contextual, conflicting across people and within one person over time, and partly corrupted by the very optimization environment the AI operates in. The "Aligned to what?" section of /workspace/cryonics/not-die/how-not-to-die-from-agi.md §2 lays this out: Gabriel's six alignment targets (instructions / stated / revealed / informed preferences / interests / values) each break; Yudkowsky's CEV ("what we'd want if we knew more, thought faster…") was the most ambitious attempt and was abandoned as intractable and circular (it presupposes the value-modeling superintelligence it's trying to specify). FiO's premise quietly assumes this solved. It isn't. C2.

1c. The capability paradox: a utopia-runner is harder to align, not easier

A subtle point worth stating plainly for the author: an AI powerful enough to run a personalized utopia for you is, for that very reason, harder to keep aligned. It must model your values deeply enough to satisfy them — which is the same capability needed to manipulate them (reshape what you want so you're easier to satisfy), and the same capability that makes deceptive/instrumental behavior available. The gap between "emulate a brain" (a hard engineering+science problem) and "have a benevolent superintelligence run a good world for the emulation" (an unsolved alignment problem on top of an unsolved philosophy problem about what "good" even means for an uploaded mind) is the whole ballgame. FiO is a conjunction: solved-WBE × aligned-superintelligence × identity-preservation. Each term is <1; the product is small (§6). C3 (judgment, but standard in the safety literature cross-linked above).

Honest flag — this is fiction. FiO is a thought experiment, not a forecast or a plan. Its value is that it makes alignment failure feel personal: everyone is happy and everyone is (arguably) dead. Its tech premise (superintelligence → uploading → managed utopia) is a story-ordering, not a demonstrated or even clearly coherent technical pathway. Don't reason from the plot to a roadmap.


2. The Age of Em alternative — uploads without friendly AI (and why ordering is everything)

If FiO is "superintelligence comes first and is benevolent," Age of Em is the other branch: emulation comes first, and there is no benevolent superintelligence to make it nice.

2a. The scenario

Claim: Robin Hanson's The Age of Em: Work, Love and Life When Robots Rule the Earth (Oxford UP, 2016) imagines a world where we learn to emulate human brains before we build AGI. Ems (emulated people) are copied ad infinitum, run faster or slower on faster/slower hardware, and quickly outnumber biological humans. Because labor can now be mass-produced like capital, an em economy grows explosively and competitively — and wages fall toward subsistence (Malthusian: copy cost is low, so em "population" expands until most ems earn barely enough compute-time to exist). - Confidence: C1 (the book's thesis is well-documented). - Sources: Age of Em — Wikipedia; ageofem.com; SSC review (Scott Alexander). - Hanson's explicit ordering claim: he argues "our rate of progress in non-em-based AI suggests that when ems arrive that field will be less than halfway to human-level," leaving "a substantial era where em labor is in high demand." I.e. WBE-first is, to Hanson, the live possibility. C2.

2b. The contrast with FiO — same technology, opposite valence

Axis FiO Age of Em
What arrives first Aligned superintelligence Whole-brain emulation
Who runs the uploads Benevolent AI (CelestAI) Market / em employers / other ems
Upload's condition Personalized utopia, values satisfied Cheap labor, subsistence wages, copied/deleted/paused at will
Is "you" preserved Story assumes yes Irrelevant to the economy; copies are the unit
Failure mode Value lock-in / everyone-uploaded-and-dead Malthusian em-misery, copies as disposable
Dominant unknown Alignment + identity Identity + labor ethics + ordering

The author should sit with this: the same uploading technology that FiO wraps in a benevolent AI, Hanson wraps in a competitive labor market. "I got uploaded" is not intrinsically good news. The context (who's running the substrate, under what incentives) determines whether substrate-independence is liberation or the worst job market in history. C3.

2c. Why the ordering matters enormously — and is contested

Takeaway for the author: FiO and Age of Em are the two ends of one axis (who controls the substrate). The realistic near-term futures are probably neither of these clean stories — but the ordering question (does powerful AI or whole-brain emulation mature first?) is the single biggest fork determining what "getting uploaded" would even mean for you. Bet on AI-first; plan preservation anyway as the hedge that keeps the option open under either ordering.


3. Recent (2023–2026) concrete advances — deeper than doc 04

Doc 04 covers FlyWire 2024 and MICrONS 2025 well. The genuinely newer movement is in scanning modalities and cost — the part that attacks the ~6-OOM throughput wall doc 04 calls the binding constraint. Here's what actually moved.

3a. The throughput wall is being attacked by new modalities, not faster EM

Claim: Over ~20 years, the volume accessible at synaptic resolution grew ~1,000× (from ~100 µm³ to ~1 mm³); a recent Nature Reviews Neuroscience review (2025) frames whole-mouse connectomes as "soon within reach" and human as "a more distant yet still worthy goal." - Confidence: C2. - Source: Nat Rev Neurosci 2025, "Synaptic-resolution connectomics: towards large brains and connectomic screening".

Three modality shifts, all 2024–25, matter for the author because they bend the cost/throughput curve EM alone can't:

  1. Expansion microscopy (ExM) + light-sheet. Physically swell the tissue, then image with cheap optical microscopy at effective nanoscale resolution. Claimed to reach "similar resolution and throughput as EM at ~1/10th the cost." A 2025 demo imaged a ~259 mm³ mouse olfactory-bulb volume in ~10 days at ~28×28×67.5 nm (2× expansion) — though that resolution was still insufficient to reconstruct some dendrites/synapses; 4.5× expansion of the same volume would take ~114 days. So: promising cost story, not yet a solved synapse-resolution-at-scale story. C2. - Sources: Cell Reports Methods 2025: "Comparative prospects of imaging methods for whole-brain mammalian connectomics" (arXiv preprint); Frontiers: optical connectome via ExM.
  2. X-ray holographic nano-tomography (XNH). Uses a 4th-gen synchrotron's bright, coherent X-ray beam to image mm-scale volumes at sub-100-nm resolution non-destructively — you can image, then still do EM on the same tissue (correlative). A 2025/26 Nature Methods-tier result reports connectomics-resolution volumes acquired "within a typical synchrotron beamtime of less than a week," with ALBA and ESRF building dedicated bio-nanoimaging beamlines. Non-destructive whole-volume imaging is conceptually important — it relaxes the "slice everything perfectly once" fragility of EM. C2. - Sources: FocalPlane (Jan 2026): non-destructive X-ray tomography of mouse brain ultrastructure; Harvard Brain Science Initiative: X-ray vision for connectomics; HMS Connectomics Core XNH datasets.
  3. E11 Bio's PRISM — the cost-collapse bet (the one to watch). E11 Bio is a philanthropically funded nonprofit Focused Research Organization (Alameda, CA; collaborators incl. Crick Institute, MIT, Max Planck). PRISM ("Protein-barcode Reconstruction by Iterative Staining with Molecular annotations") gives each cell a genetically-encoded protein barcode ("cellular ID"), combined with expansion microscopy and staining, so segmentation/tracing can be automated — directly attacking the human-proofreading cost that is ~95% of current connectomics cost. They claim PRISM enables "at least a 100× reduction in whole-brain connectomics cost," release data openly (incl. on AWS Open Data), and target a whole mouse connectome within ~5 years, scaling barcode diversity + image volume ~10×/year. - Confidence: C2 for the program/claims (company + trade coverage; preprint-stage), C3 for the "100× / mouse in 5 yr" timeline. - Sources: E11 Bio roadmap; E11 Bio PRISM; Newswise: "PRISM Shines a Light on Mapping Brain Circuits at Scale"; AWS Public Sector: E11 dataset on AWS Open Data. - Why it matters for the author specifically: of everything in this doc, E11 Bio is the most directly fundable, mission-aligned lever on the actual bottleneck (data-acquisition cost). It's a nonprofit explicitly trying to make whole-brain connectomics affordable. See §5.

3b. Whole-mouse-brain synaptic connectome — status: not done, "in reach," contested timeline

Claim: No complete synapse-by-synapse connectome of any mammalian brain exists yet. The whole mouse brain (~70–100M neurons) is the next flag; the Allen Institute's connectomics work and others frame EM-based whole-mouse as plausibly "within the coming year(s)," but this is an aspiration, not a result. (A separate Aug-2025 Nature Methods paper reconstructed single-neuron connectivity at whole-mouse-brain scale by probabilistically pairing ~20k neurons' arbors — useful, but that's a statistical connectome, not dense synapse-resolution ground truth.) - Confidence: C2 (status), C3 (timeline). - Sources: Allen Institute connectomics; Nature Methods Aug 2025: arbor-net single-neuron connectivity, whole mouse; Allen Institute: leading global whole-human-brain collaboration (cell atlas, not synaptic connectome). - Honest read: the mouse is the meaningful next milestone and it's genuinely "in reach this decade" if a cost-collapse method (E11/ExM/XNH) pans out. Human synaptic connectome remains undemonstrated and decades-plus out by any honest extrapolation (doc 04 §2d). The 2024–26 advances shrink the cost gap; they have not closed the scale gap.

3c. The Eon 2026 fly — what it did not do (correcting doc 04's hedge downward)

Doc 04 §5d already hedges the Eon "embodied whole-brain emulation of a fly" claim (inferred weights, no plasticity, untraced motor neurons). The Carboncopies Foundation rebuttal (Mar 2026, "No, a Fruit Fly has not been uploaded") goes further and is worth surfacing because it sharpens the realistic picture: - The behaviors may be the body model's, not the brain's. Walking/grooming/navigation are, per Carboncopies, hard-coded routines within the NeuroMechFly body model; the connectome can act as a switch that triggers pre-written motor scripts rather than a controller that generates motor commands. The body model's built-in stabilizers can mask a bad brain model's failures ("a cloak of added constraints"). - It is a generic fly, not a specific one. There is no claim the model replicates any individual fly's unique neural state; calling it an "upload" is, per Carboncopies, a "semantic bait-and-switch." - Validation bar not met. A real emulation would require showing the 100k+ neurons fire in the same patterns/sequences/rhythms as a living fly — task success ≠ biological correspondence. - No peer review of the novel part. The brain↔body integration (the actually-new bit) wasn't released/peer-reviewed at announcement. - Confidence: C2 (a substantive, technically literate rebuttal from a field-insider org). - Sources: Carboncopies: "No, a Fruit Fly has not been uploaded"; The Decoder coverage; Eon's own writeups: Eon "We've uploaded a fruit fly", Eon "How the team produced a virtual embodied fly". - Net correction: doc 04 calls Eon "a proof-of-loop, not 'the fly is in there.'" The Carboncopies critique suggests it may be even less than a clean proof-of-loop — possibly a connectome wired to a pre-scripted body. Down-weight it further. It does not shorten any human-upload timeline.

3d. Brain-preservation science, 2024–26 — incremental, with two useful new data points


4. The identity question, operationalized — the destructive-copy vs gradual-replacement fork

Doc 04 §6 frames identity as unresolved philosophy. This section makes it operational: the author isn't choosing between metaphysical theories in the abstract — they're (eventually) choosing between two concrete procedures with different survival profiles, and they already have a stated view that bears directly on the choice.

4a. The two procedures

Destructive scan → emulate (copy) Gradual neuron-by-neuron replacement (continuity)
Method Stabilize brain (vitrify/plastinate/ASC), slice, scan, build & run model (doc 04 stages 1–5) Replace neurons one at a time with functionally-isomorphic units while you're alive and awake
Continuity Broken — biological you is destroyed; a copy boots up Preserved (claimed) — no moment where "you" stop
Availability The branch preservation + connectomics actually feed (the real near-term path) Purely hypothetical — requires mature nanoscale in-vivo neuron-replacement tech that does not exist and may never
Standard intuition "That's a copy; you died" "That's just you, slowly"

4b. What the philosophy actually says (briefly — it's flagged in doc 04 §6)

4c. What the author cares about — the load-bearing input

The author's own published essay, 2026-04-22-thought-experiments-on-continuity.md, is the most important document for their personal version of this question. Reading it closely, their stated position is roughly Parfit-leaning pattern-theory: - They start at "make a copy, original dies 5 min later — obviously not fine," but walk themselves toward finding copy-scenarios mostly acceptable as long as the copy is faithful. - They explicitly land on: "I care more about how do I know the copy is truly an exact copy of me than do I get to experience life continuously with the same atoms." — i.e. fidelity of the copy, not physical/temporal continuity, is what they value. (They flag they can't fully articulate why, and note residual inconsistencies — e.g. two-copies-now feels fine but copy-now-plus-memory-jump feels off.) - They cooperate with an exact clone in a one-shot prisoner's dilemma (a timeless/correlated-decision intuition) — consistent with treating an identical copy as self.

Implication for the goal (this is the operationally important bit): If the author endorses their own stated view, then destructive scan-and-copy is largely acceptable to them — the thing they care about (a faithful copy) is exactly what destructive upload aims to produce, and the broken physical continuity is the thing they've decided they don't weight heavily. That has three consequences: 1. It defuses the scariest objection to the only achievable upload path (destructive scan), making the WBE/preservation branch coherent for them in a way it isn't for a strict continuity-theorist. 2. It shifts their crux off "is it me?" (which they've largely resolved for themselves) and onto the §5b/§3d scientific question: is the copy actually faithful — did we capture the right level of detail? For a fidelity-valuer, "which details are you" (doc 04 §5b) is the question that matters most, not the metaphysics. Good news: that's an empirical, fundable target. 3. It makes preservation quality (did we keep enough to make a faithful copy possible?) directly their top concern — which dovetails with §5.

Honest caveat: the essay is the author reasoning toward a view, with self-flagged uncertainty ("I can't decide if wanting a copy of me to experience things right now is completely incoherent or not"). This doc treats it as their current leaning, not a settled doctrine. If they're less sure than the essay's conclusion, the destructive-vs-gradual fork stays live and gradual becomes worth its (very long-odds) hope. C3 — this is their call, not the science's.


5. Concrete "how to plug in" for the author — ranked, with honest EV

Building on doc 08 §A.4's ranking, but more concrete and updated with §3's actors. Framed by expected value for a motivated individual in 2026, given §4's likely conclusion that preservation quality + "which details are you" are the author's real cruxes.

(a) Brain preservation — do this; it's the only rung you can act on personallyhighest personal EV

(b) Fund / work on connectomics tooling — highest altruistic/field EV (attacks the real wall)

(c) The philosophy-of-identity work — already partly done; finish it, and re-derive priorities

(d) The alignment piece — the FiO-specific term; high stakes, low individual tractability — be honest

Ranked bottom line

  1. (a) Preservation — only personal lever; do it; optimize for quality/speed, structural branch.
  2. (b) Connectomics tooling (E11/PRISM-class) — highest field leverage; attacks the real wall.
  3. (c) Finish the identity work — cheap; re-derives which of the above matters for you.
  4. (d) Alignment — dominates the FiO branch but ~zero individual tractability; engage as a survival hedge, not an upload strategy.

6. Updated sober critical path + P-estimates (with reasoning)

The doc 04 §8 / doc 08 §A critical path stands. This doc's deepening updates two things: (i) the scanning-throughput rung is moving faster than doc 04 implied (E11/ExM/XNH attack cost, though not yet scale), and (ii) the AI rung is harder and more decisive than "external dependency" suggests (§1), while (iii) the identity rung may be softer for this specific author than for a generic continuity-theorist (§4c).

Critical path with 2026 status (refined):

[1] PRESERVE      -> [2] SCAN          -> [3] KNOW WHAT     -> [4] TRANSLATE   -> [5] RUN     -> [6] IS IT ME -> [7] THE AI PIECE
    partial demo      cost-gap closing      TO EXTRACT          not at            compute is     author may     unsolved alignment +
    (ASC; quality      (E11/ExM/XNH);        OPEN SCIENCE        vertebrate        the easy       have a         value-loading
    is the lever)      scale-gap open        (field leans         scale             part           personal      (FiO-specific; §1)
                       (~6 OOM)              connectome,                                            answer §4c
                                             no consensus §3d)

Probability estimates (my reasoning; calibration anchors, not forecasts; C3):

What would most change these odds

  1. A demonstrated whole-mouse synaptic connectome + a working emulation that reproduces measured mouse neural dynamics (not just behavior). That would convert stage 3 from "open" to "tractable at mammal scale" — the biggest possible update. (E11's 5-yr mouse target is the thing to watch.) Up.
  2. An answer to "which level of detail is sufficient" — even a partial one (e.g. proof that connectome + synapse-size-inferred weights reproduces a known circuit's function). This is the gate; any real progress moves everything. Up.
  3. AI-timeline / alignment news. Transformative-AI-soon ups P(scan/translate solved) but downs P(good outcome) if alignment lags — the FiO term is dominated here. The biggest negative update would be evidence alignment is as intractable as MIRI now argues (cross-link AGI doc §2).
  4. Negative updates: if better scans show the connectome is systematically insufficient (heavy neuromodulatory/molecular dependence), or if reversible-cryo wins and the field abandons the structural/upload branch, P(WBE-route) drops.

7. What I couldn't verify / genuinely uncertain (C4–C5 unless noted)


Maturity legend (same as doc 04): Demonstrated = judged/published result · Partially demonstrated = real result that doesn't establish the FiO-relevant claim · Not demonstrated = no existing method · Open science problem = nobody knows the answer · Philosophy = not empirically settled. Probabilities are C3 calibration anchors, not forecasts. Not medical, financial, or existential advice. An independent OpenAI-model analysis of the same question is at research/codex-independent/fio-uploading.md for comparison.*